Weren't the Pharisees Dominated By The Idumeans?


First lets look at the word "Idumean" or the mistranslation of Judean.

The initial copies of the King James Version did not use the letter J for the Savior's Name, nor for any use. This is shown in the New Funk and Wagnall Encyclopedia:

"Not until the middle of the 17th century did this usage become universal in English books; in the King James Bible of 1611 for example, the words Jesus and judge are invariably Iesus and iudge."

This is corroborated by the authoritative Oxford English Dictionary concerning the letter J, "The J j types are not used in the Bible of 1611...."

I encourage use of the word "judean", as in modern english we use the letter J, and not I, so therefore it could not be a mistranslation, but maybe a pronunciation.

On the other note:

Before the discovery of the Qumran "Dead Sea Scrolls" mainstream scholars divided Judeans under Pharisees and Sadducees, now it is clear even to them that there were many groups and movements in the Second Temple Religions: Pharisees, Sadducees (perhaps several kinds), Essenes, Samaritans, Zealots, Christians, and probably many more. Yes the mainstream now sees this more as true that there were many imposters.

We know the Half Edomite Herod Usurper King of Judea ran out nearly all the Sadducee original priests and appointed his own Edomite Pharisarical order, and their rulers being his own sons.

During the Herodian and Roman periods, "some twenty-eight high priests (only two of which were from families that had any legitimate claim) held office in little more than one century (from 37 B.C.E. to 70 C.E.)."
- Craig A. Evans, "Opposition to the Temple: Jesus and the Dead Sea Scrolls" in Jesus and the Dead Sea Scrolls (James H. Charlesworth, Ed. - 1992), p. 239

(note: remember, there's a big difference between Priests, and High Priests. We see it was the newly appointed "high priests" that were almost completely Edomite-Canaanites, and they had most of the control on the churches and lower level Priests.)

In Zec 12:10 it says the house of David and Judah will see who they have pierced and be cut to the heart. This shows that there were pure-blooded house of David , House of Judah-Benjamites who were actively involved in the crusifixion, basically as canaanite-edomites are always in the shaddows having us goyim do their dirty work.

More Edomite references:

In 20-19 BCE, in the eighteenth or the seventeenth year of his reign, Herod announced that he planned to renovate the Temple (Ant. 15.11.1-2; 380-90 = War 1.21.1; 401). Actually, it seems that what he intended was its dismantling and complete reconstruction, so that one could call it a new Temple; some feared that Herod would pull down the old structures but would not be able to rebuild them. Josephus's detailed description the Herodian Temple will be considered later.

When Herod was on his death bed, Josephus says that some youths, at the instigation of their teachers Judas and Matthias, pulled down a golden eagle that Herod had erected over the great gate of the Temple as a dedicatory offering (Ant. 17.6.1-3; 151-63 = War 1.33.2-4; 649-55). The Temple gate referred to is probably the eastern gate leading into the inner courts of the Temple, called the Beautiful Gate. In their view, the biblical prohibition against images justified their action. The youths responsible climbed onto the roof, lowered themselves and cut the image down with axes.

Upon Herod's death, Archelaus, one of Herod's sons, went to the Temple, ascended a platform and sat on a golden throne (Ant. 17.8.4; 200 = War 2.1.1; 1-2). Where exactly in the Temple this took place is not clear. This pretentious act was for the purpose of staking a claim to power.

"Josephus comments on the awe inspiring impression that the zeal of these supporters of Aristobulus made on the Romans as they steadfastly went about their priestly duties in the Temple even as they were being slaughtered there."
- Robert Eisman and Michael Wise, The Dead Sea Scrolls Uncovered

When Alexander Jannaeus died in 76 B.C.E. his widow, Salome Alexandra, with the assistance of the Pharisees (whom Josephus describes as being the real power in the government) had her elder son Hyrcanus made High Priest.

The Hebrew phrase qilelat 'elohim denotes that those committing high treason are accursed 'by God and men (below).

In Eisenman's "James Brother of Jesus" he notes, Paul protests that he is a Hebrew, an Israelite, even a Benjaminite, but he avoids calling himself a Jew! And Eisenman suggests that, given the strange fact that "Bela" appears both as a chief clan of Benjamin and as the first Edomite king, "Benjaminite" may have been a kind of Herodian euphemism for their oblique relation to Judaism.

Eisenman cites the Talmud's notice that the Rechabites (=Nazirites) used to marry the daughters of the High Priests. This Talmudic note suggests to me a new and more natural way of understanding the Ebionite slur that Paul had converted to Judaism only because he was smitten with the High Priest's daughter and wanted to curry favor with her father to win her hand. Now think of Acts' account of Paul's unsuccessful ruse, feigning Nazirite allegiance by paying for the purification of four of James' zealots (Acts 21:23-26),

According to the Mishna, "the rabbi and Pharisaic leader Simon ben Shetah...hanged eighty women (witches) at Ashkelon (tala semonim nasim be' asqelon)....In actuality, influential men and political enemies of the Pharisees, not women practicing sorcery, must have been 'hanged' (=crucified) under the rule of the Queen Alexandra Salome, the wife and successor of Alexander Janneus; this is the event behind the rabbinic tradition about Simon's mass execution. According to Josephus, the Pharisees became highly influential and politically powerful after the death of Janneus. They persuaded the queen to eliminate those who had participated in the crucifixion of the eight hundred adversaries of Janneus, mentioned by Josephus (War 1.79-80; Ant 13.380ff. and in [Nahum Pesher] 4QpNah)."
"...The motif of witchcraft was introduced in order to justify the penalty of crucifixion. The practice of sorcery and witchcraft could be condemned as blasphemy, because the secret name of God was used in incantations (cf. b.Shab 75a). Thus the crime of qilelat 'elohim ['accursed by God and men'] (Deut 21:23) was committed, which had to be punished by crucifixion."
- Otto Betz, "Jesus and the Temple Scroll" in Jesus and the Dead Sea Scrolls (James H. Charlesworth, Ed. - 1992), pp. 85, 86

"When Herod was twenty-five years old (in 47 BC), his father [Antipater, ruler of the Idumeans] put him in charge of Galilee, with Phasael [his older brother] governing the Jerusalem region. Herod took up his task energetically. Bandits were terrorizing the area, so he rounded them up and put them to death, including the leader, Hezekiah."
- Alan Millard, Discoveries From the Time of Jesus, p 44

"At Antipatros's death in 43 B.C.E his son Herod, who had married a Hasmonean princess, was named king of Judea, Samaria and Galilee by the Trimvir Octavian (Augustus). There was, however, a surviving Hasmonean pretender, Antigonos bar Aristoboulos."
- William Harwood, Mythologies Last Gods: Yahweh and Jesus

Pompey made Judea "his private fiefdom until his defeat by Julius Caesar at Pharsala in 48 B.C.E. Caesar officially annexed Judea to Rome, as Pompeus had not, and appointed an Idumaean (Edomite) named as its procurator."
- William Harwood, Mythologies Last Gods: Yahweh and Jesus

I wanted to note Comparet gave some good references as to this same subject in his lesson "Cain, The Satanic Seedline". Remember almost all of Esau's wives were Canaanites of the satanic seed. Comparet mentions two waves of Edomites converting as we all know:

These Edomites had come in the first time when John Hyrcanus gave them full citizenship. This is described in great detail by the one reliable history of that period, Josephus in his history, "Antiquities of the Jews", book 13, chapter 9.

The second time they came in was as a wave of conquerors under Herod.

In 40 B.C. the Romans recognized Herod as governor with the title Ethnarch. In 37 B.C., Rome formally recognized Herod as the local king of Judea. He was still subject to Roman foreign policy but he had complete self-government at home. Herod had come in with a conquering army and his Jewish Edomite followers came in with him for the sake of the plunder they could get, they overran the area. They have also gone back to Germany for the same reason. You can learn much about these events in Josephus' "Antiquities of the Jews" books 14-18.

Other Comparet References Cited: In the Jewish encyclopedia, the article "Edom" (Volume 5, page 41) the article "Edom" concludes with these words: "The Edomites are found today in modern Jewry".


When the people were gathered at Pentecost, and the Holy Spirit came upon the disciples, they were all there except Judas Escariot. The disciples began speaking to this assembled multitude in a multitude of different languages. How astonished the people were when they heard the disciples speaking in all these different languages, which obviously they didn't know. The people said, "Aren't these Galileans?" All the remaining disciples were.

Down to the south of what was left of the territory of Judah, these Edomite Jews settled. They were always a pestiferous people and were constantly raiding the southern boundary of Judea. Their descendants are raiding the Arab's territory the same way today. A leopard doesn't change its spots. For a long time, after the return from the Babylonian captivity, the people in Judea were a conquered province of one empire or another, Syria, Egypt and finally Rome. They got their little flare up of independence under the Maccabee kings beginning about 150 B.C. and about 120 B.C.

John Hyrcanus, one of the Maccabee kings, who had by that time a good disciplined army, got tired of these Edomite Jew raids on his southern border. So, Hyrcanus marched down south and defeated these Jews thoroughly. Saul, the first king of Israel, had been told by Yahweh, "You go down there and absolutely exterminate these Edomites, don't you leave one of them alive". Saul made a big mistake, as it is always a mistake to disobey Yahweh's commands and instructions, he didn't exterminate these loathsome people. When Saul came back the prophet Samuel said, "Because you have disobeyed God, God has deposed you from being king, and He is going to put a better man in your place".

Approximately 900 years later, John Hyrcanus made the same mistake. After he had defeated the Edomites, he then decided he was going to be a missionary; he would convert them to the religion of Judaism. He offered the Edomites a choice; he would spare them if they would accept the religion of Judaism. This was not the religion of the Old Testament ever; it was what was brought back from Babylon with the Babylonian Talmud. The late Rabbi Stephen S. Wise said it briefly and accurately; I have never been able to improve on his words.

The learned Rabbi said, "The return from Babylon and the introduction of the Babylonian Talmud marked the end of Hebrewism and the beginning of Judaism". The people of the Old Testament were real Hebrews and the religion Yahweh had given them could well be called Hebrewism. This Talmud/Judaism began as the Jews destroyed the religion of the Old Testament. In Yahshua's time they had not yet given it the name of the Talmud, they called it "the tradition of the elders". Remember how often Yahshua rebuked them for following their tradition. "Why have ye by your tradition set aside the laws of Yahweh?" Yahshua was referring to the Talmud.

So, John Hyrcanus was going to be the Billy Graham of his day, he was going to make converts. Hyrcanus told them, "If you will adopt the religion of Judaism, I will give you full citizenship in the kingdom of Judea. If you don't, I will cut your throats". As you well know, this is the most effective missionary technique that has ever been developed. Even Billy Graham doesn't make converts that fast. Naturally the converts made by the sword are of doubtful validity. So the Edomites adopted the religion of Judaism and were accepted in full citizenship in the kingdom. You will find this described in great detail in the one reliable history of that period, Josephus in his history, "Antiquities of the Jews", book 13, chapter 9.

The second wave of Edomites came in when the Edomite chieftain Herod conquered and became king of Judea, under the Roman Empire. Herod was a very able and very evil scoundrel. He raised a large sum of money by taxation and by raiding his neighbors. With this money he bribed Mark Anthony, who was over in Egypt with the Roman legions at this time, to lend him a couple of the Roman legions to add to his own Edomite troops, for the conquest of Judea. With the Roman troops and his own, Herod did capture Judea.

In 40 B.C. the Romans recognized Herod as governor with the title Ethnarch. In 37 B.C., Rome formally recognized Herod as the local king of Judea. He was still subject to Roman foreign policy but he had complete self-government at home. Herod had come in with a conquering army and his Jewish Edomite followers came in with him for the sake of the plunder they could get, they overran the area. They have also gone back to Germany for the same reason. You can learn much about these events in Josephus' "Antiquities of the Jews" books 14-18.

In his other history, the "Wars of the Jews", book 4 chapters 4-5, book 5 and chapter 6 and thereafter, Josephus writes of the horrible conduct of these Edomite Jews within the besieged city of Jerusalem while it was undergoing siege by Titus in the year 70 A.D. Their robbery and massacre of the inhabitants inflicted probably more casualties than the Roman army did. In the Jewish encyclopedia, the article "Edom" (in the edition I used to look it up, it was Volume 5, page 41) the article "Edom" concludes with these words: "The Edomites are found today in modern Jewry".

These Edomites had come in the first time when John Hyrcanus gave them full citizenship. The second time they came in was as a wave of conquerors under Herod. This is the same Herod that tried to murder Yahshua as a baby. They had overrun the land. They had control of the entire civil and religious government until the death of Herod.

By will, Herod left the kingdom of Judea to his son Herod Archelaus. The Romans were too wise to trust somebody with the kingdom when they didn't know anything about him. The Romans gave the new Herod a trial period as governor, under the title Ethnarch. For ten years he gave the country the most miserable misrule that any nation ever had. The people finally petitioned Rome to send a Roman to govern them.

The people didn't like the tyranny of Rome at all but conditions were so bad, anything was better than what they had. When a Roman would rather govern the people, you can understand how bad the situation was. The Romans put Herod Archelaus on trial, found him guilty of misrule and banished him to Vienne.

From that time on there were a series of Roman governors called procurators, Pontius Pilate was number 6 in that series. The military government was entirely in the hands of the Roman procurators. They were also in full charge of the tax collections for Rome.

On the other hand, these Herodian Jews had control of the entire religious government and the temple. They also had control of the civil government, in all respects concerning purely local self government, could collect their own taxes and so on.

When the priests were getting greatly upset about Yahshua's teachings they said, "If we let Him alone, all men will believe on Him. The Romans will take this kingdom away from us." The way the clergymen have taught it, this is meaningless stupidity. The clergy picture Yahshua as a whining, cringing milksop, going around whimpering to people they ought to be good. If this was all Yahshua did, these Jews would not have bothered with contempt for Him, much less worry about His teachings.

Yahshua was explaining to the people the utter evil of the Jewish economic and religious system under which they were living. Let's paraphrase what the Jews might have said, based on what is recorded in the Bible. "Look, if we let Him alone, He is going to awaken the people to these controls we have over them. They will petition Rome just as they did about Herod Archelaus and the Romans will kick us out of here. We will lose control of the money and might have to pay fair wages. The people might rebel against the usury we charge them for use of their own money." This is what they were talking about.

Here were these Edomite Jews, who told Yahshua they were descendants of Abraham. However, they revealed they really couldn't be true Israel when they said they had never been in captivity to any man. They might have had some Israelite ancestors but, no alien blood was allowed in those called Israel. As we read in John 8:31-44, we will come to the place where Yahshua tells these Jews they were the children of the devil. They would do the lusts of their father who was a murderer from the beginning.

Yahshua recognized the two seed lines. He didn't say these Jews had only adopted some of the bad principles of the devil, He said they were the children of the devil. The Old Testament as well as the New Testament recognizes the two seed lines. The Adamic seed line, Yahweh's children, came down through a carefully selected best one in each generation from Abraham, Isaac, Israel, then on down through the twelve tribes of Israel. So there are the two seed lines, that of Yahweh's children through Israel and the children of Satan, some of the most pestiferous of which have come through the line of Cain.

---End excerpt from Comparet.


"John Hyrcanus conquered the whole of Edom and undertook the forced conversion of its inhabitants to Judaism (Joseph., Ant. XIII, 9, 1). Thenceforth the Edomites became a section of the Jewish people." (Encyclopedia Judaica, Vol. 6, (1971), p. 378; The New Standard Jewish Encyclopedia (1977), p. 589).

"Thus, at this juncture of time the Edomites 'were incorporated with the Jewish nation, and their country was called by the Greeks and Romans 'Idumea' (Mark 3:8; Ptolemy, 'Geography,' v. 16)." (The Jewish Encyclopedia, Vol. V. (1904), p. 41).

"Immediately before the siege of Jerusalem 20,000 Idumeans appeared before Jerusalem to fight in behalf of the Zealots who were besieged in the Temple." (The Jewish Encyclopedia, Vol. V. (1904), p. 41).

and there are many more.

Since the original 1611 KJV had no J's in it and therefore only the word "Idumea" was there. The conclusion is the word judean or jew or may be a newer word, but that doesn't mean it is a false word for changing the i to a j.

Dealing with the pure blooded House of Judah that evacuated the same region during the First Century:

In the first century this scripture was fulfilled in the mass conversions of PURE BLOODED "House of Judah-Benjamites", as they converted to Christianity:

Zec 12:10 "And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn."

Of course they had to go underground and flee to the Northwest into the place where the other 10 tribes were already completely gathered. This also fulfilled the prophecy of the two sticks coming together (Eze 37:16-19). Yes that happened in the first century! This is NOT something we await for! Our name is Israel and for ever the name Judah is accursed, as when Christ cursed the fig tree. They mixed their race and mongrelized completely after this took place, and it is doubtable even one Jew is left without being tainted of that wicked one (while the House of Israel remains predominately pure and still under covenant).